(STAFF) New feature: Directory Text Ads Trådens avsändare: Jason Grimes
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The freelancer directory now supports highly targeted Freelancer Text Ads, shown in response to specific search criteria. See this info page for details.
As with all new features, I welcome your feedback. Please post comments related to the new Freelancer Text Ads in this thread.
Regards,
jg
| | | | | good idea... ???? Not! | May 1, 2003 |
another scam to make more money out of desperate freelancers...
Giovanni
| | | | Ralf Lemster 
Tyskland
Local time: 19:56
Engelska till Tyska
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| Where's the scam? | May 1, 2003 |
Giovanni, you might not like it, and you\'re probably unlikely to buy it - but then, you don\'t have to.
The details are explained, prices are shown - where\'s the scam here?
Ralf
| | | | | well, Ralf... | May 1, 2003 |
you know very well how competition works, especially in our field. By introducing another \"service\" like this, you basically force everyone to pay for it to remain competitive. This is one of those services that I believe should have been free for platinum members. We are already paying for advertising. Hence the scam. Just another way to make a quick buck. I find it immoral.
Regards,
Giovanni
[ This Message was edited by: Verbum Ltd. on 2003-05... See more you know very well how competition works, especially in our field. By introducing another \"service\" like this, you basically force everyone to pay for it to remain competitive. This is one of those services that I believe should have been free for platinum members. We are already paying for advertising. Hence the scam. Just another way to make a quick buck. I find it immoral.
Regards,
Giovanni
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Marc P (X)
Local time: 19:56
Tyska till Engelska
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| I see your point, Giovanni | May 1, 2003 |
But I don\'t agree with it. 
If there were only a limited amount of advertising space available, no alternative means of advertising anywhere else, and Henry were to auction advertising space to the highest bidder, that might be true. But that isn\'t the case.
I don\'t know what Henry is charging, but I doubt it is as much as the 650 Euro I used to pay each year for four lines in the Cologne Yellow Pages. I... See more But I don\'t agree with it.
If there were only a limited amount of advertising space available, no alternative means of advertising anywhere else, and Henry were to auction advertising space to the highest bidder, that might be true. But that isn\'t the case.
I don\'t know what Henry is charging, but I doubt it is as much as the 650 Euro I used to pay each year for four lines in the Cologne Yellow Pages. I eventually decided that was unnecessarily expensive. But a scam? Surely not. I got what I paid for - four lines in the Yellow Pages. I wasn\'t buying \"custom\", and Henry isn\'t selling it. Frankly, if some translators are so desperate that they will buy anything, that\'s not his fault.
As Ralf will tell you, I am not reluctant to criticize ProZ, but in this case, I think the criticism is unjustified.
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| | | | Mats Wiman
Sverige
Local time: 19:56
Medlem (2000)
Tyska till Svenska
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In memoriam | Super thing Jason! | May 1, 2003 |
I have sent these two eMails to Jason after signing up on the page
\'German>Swedish, Tech/Engineering\':
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Dear Jason,
As one pays and as one wants viewers to observe the ad I think it wood be good if the ad stood out more clearly.
Suggestions:
1. Superimposition (replacing the selection box with a box the same size containing my ad)
2. Bli... See more I have sent these two eMails to Jason after signing up on the page
\'German>Swedish, Tech/Engineering\':
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Dear Jason,
As one pays and as one wants viewers to observe the ad I think it wood be good if the ad stood out more clearly.
Suggestions:
1. Superimposition (replacing the selection box with a box the same size containing my ad)
2. Blinking box or text (possible if we could write HTML in the box just as in the Profile page).
3. Larger box than the \'Freelancer text ads\'
4. Omission of \'Freelancer text ads\' when there is a paid ad to be displayed or displaying it at a distance from my ad (=lower down)
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Dear Jason,
Why shouldn\'t one be able to pay for impressions with BrowniZ?
Suggestion: 1/6 of (USD 20/USD 120): 1/6 of 12000 BrowniZ = 2000 BrowniZ for 400 impressions
Best regards
Mats J C Wiman
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| | | | | Finally a good use for Platinum BrowniZ.. | May 1, 2003 |
.. if this will be implemented 1:1
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Giovanni wrote:
.. We are already paying for advertising ..
This is already the base for the \"Featured Pro\" feature, which I hope to be continued.
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| | | | Rick Henry
USA
Local time: 12:56
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| I doubt this would affect kudoz. | May 2, 2003 |
The vast majority of queries I get from proz.com come from emails sent out to the top 100 kudoz ranked translators in my pairs.
Put yourself in an agency\'s shoes. Would you find if more helpful to click on a single text ad, or choose from the responses you might receive after sending out 100 emails?
While I think that text ads might give individual translators more exposure, so to speak (and even then - I believe it would only be exposure to colleages - I truly don\'t think... See more The vast majority of queries I get from proz.com come from emails sent out to the top 100 kudoz ranked translators in my pairs.
Put yourself in an agency\'s shoes. Would you find if more helpful to click on a single text ad, or choose from the responses you might receive after sending out 100 emails?
While I think that text ads might give individual translators more exposure, so to speak (and even then - I believe it would only be exposure to colleages - I truly don\'t think agencies are going to bother to click on text ads), I doubt it would bring in much in the way of income.
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On 2003-05-01 22:50, 1964 wrote:
Proz.com is ranked according to Kudoz points in respective fields.
Any such Ad text selling will end Kudoz game. But anyone having lower kudoz may like it since it is a chance to climb to the top.
So anyone paying 20 USD will have priority?
Even over platinum membership! or those having higher Kudoz. So those paying 20 USD will be pushed before a client for some ununderstandable reason breaching all established practice ?
Will it provide professionalism then replacing higher Kudoz with a 20 USD payer?
There are many negative aspects.
In short for this new feature \"Marginal Cost >Marginal Benefit\"
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Roberta Anderson
Italien
Local time: 19:56
Medlem (2001)
Engelska till Italienska
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| dedicated section for ads? | May 2, 2003 |
I can understand the objections put forwards by the colleagues, and I can also see how an ad might be seen as useful.
A possible solution would be to do what newspapers do: limit the ads to a specific classified ad section.
The ads are kept in an \"Adverts\" page, which has good visibility but is not mixed up with the search page; it could have it\'s own search facility and/or a link from the search&results page could take you to related ads.
I think this could be ... See more I can understand the objections put forwards by the colleagues, and I can also see how an ad might be seen as useful.
A possible solution would be to do what newspapers do: limit the ads to a specific classified ad section.
The ads are kept in an \"Adverts\" page, which has good visibility but is not mixed up with the search page; it could have it\'s own search facility and/or a link from the search&results page could take you to related ads.
I think this could be a cleaner and clearer solution.
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| | | | Marc P (X)
Local time: 19:56
Tyska till Engelska
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Will it provide professionalism then replacing higher Kudoz with a 20 USD payer?
What have KudoZ got to do with professionalism?
What have 20 USD got to do with professionalism?
The answer to both questions is the same.
Marc
| | | | Jason Grimes
Local time: 13:56
WEBBPLATSPERSONAL TOPIC STARTER | Agency Directory Text Ads now available | May 7, 2003 |
The ProZ.com Agency Directory now supports Directory Text Ads as well. Members identifying themselves as agencies may run text ads in this directory; they may not run text ads in the Freelancer directory.
See the info page for details.
Regards,
jg
| | | | Jason Grimes
Local time: 13:56
WEBBPLATSPERSONAL TOPIC STARTER | Trade BrowniZ for Directory Text Ad impressions | May 7, 2003 |
At the request of many, I\'ve added the ability for Platinum members to trade BrowniZ for Directory Text Ad impressions. The rate is 10 BrowniZ per impression in the Freelancer Directory, and 50 BrowniZ per impression in the Agency Directory. See the FAQ for more information.
Regards,
jg
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Svetlana (X)
Engelska till Ryska
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| Relative value... | Jun 1, 2003 |
Talking about various options for advertising, I wonder how do various options compare, in your opinion. E.g. Platinum membership vs. Yellow Pages, as in Marc's case, or whether you find that number Kudoz points reflects on the amount of work you get?
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