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Zea_Mays 
Italy
Local time: 19:00
Member (2009)
English to German
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Tanya Quintieri wrote:
(Pastey) is a companion app for desktop environments that allows users to leverage AI (ChatGPT) to the extent the human translator wants to combine their human expertise with artificial intelligence. You add your text by copying it into the tool and then pasting the output back into the source (hence the name). That can be a segment in your CAT tool or any text source you can edit (Word, browsers, Excel, chats, etc.).
So something like Copilot from Microsoft?
| | | | | Can't change the survey at this time | Feb 8 |
Tanya Quintieri wrote: Zea_Mays wrote:
What I would add to the survey are some additional points like:
- What are the most helpful features of the platform for you? (perhaps adding also the reasons)
- What are the less useful? Reasons?
- What would you add to the platform?
I like those. I will see if Susan thinks they can be added (not sure if that's technically possible - I am not familiar with the platform she used). Thank you!
Sorry, the survey already has hundreds of responses. But these questions will be included in future surveys. Thank you!
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it's wrong. Andrew can do what he likes. I wanted to join, but couldn't because I was blocked. But that's a different story and a big misunderstanding.
Tanya Quintieri wrote:
How is that wrong? And if you're throwing it out there, just for the sake of a complete picture: He didn't charge for his advice. He charged his members for curating and creating content.
Funny that it's only those who never opted for membership complaining. I don't hear the same from people who have benefitted from the spaces he created...
And yes, it is off-topic. So perhaps we can stop it.
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Dear Barbara,
I'm Susan Ring, ProZ.com's new communications coordinator since the beginning of January. Nice to meet you.
I've been a translator and interpreter for 25 years and run my own agency focussing on the niche of corporate communications.
We sent out the survey to get a baseline impression of perceptions of ProZ.com.
The results will be published once we have enough responses to get good data.
Over 250 people have respon... See more Dear Barbara,
I'm Susan Ring, ProZ.com's new communications coordinator since the beginning of January. Nice to meet you.
I've been a translator and interpreter for 25 years and run my own agency focussing on the niche of corporate communications.
We sent out the survey to get a baseline impression of perceptions of ProZ.com.
The results will be published once we have enough responses to get good data.
Over 250 people have responded so far.
I hope that answers your query?
Have a lovely day!
All the best
Susan ▲ Collapse
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Zea_Mays wrote:
There have been a number of people who have not renewed their paid membership recently for reasons that have been discussed in quite some threads here.
Correct. And as of late the team is working tirelessly on finding better ways. Please bear in mind though that the ProZ.com "universe" is much bigger than just the forum. And I am not saying "just" to belittle it. My own personal motto is that it is harder to keep a client than acquiring a new one.
I'd dare to say that it's harder for a company that's been around for 25 years to strike a balance between old and new (systems, requirements, etc.), to cater to 5 generations rather than 1 or 2 (older generations seem to resist innovation more than younger ones — completely natural and not exclusive to our profession), to innovate while maintaining established processes (what needs adding, what can go). Younger companies that start off with new infrastructure and virgin databases have it easier and can thus be more agile.
As for us ProZ.com staff people adding to the friction... If you mean me, I am not lashing out/provoking first, I respond accordingly. And even if I wear a ProZ.com badge, I won't let people put assumptions out there about me or people I consider friends and respectable colleagues, when the author of such comments is trying to make those assumptions look like truths, or when their conduct is clearly provoking. So yeah, I clap back when I feel it's appropriate. And as a human being, I do expect a certain level of common courtesy when I am being addressed. So if my response creates warmth then that's a good thing.
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Zea_Mays wrote:
@ the mods here: You are adding friction here to the same degree as the users, among others through passive aggressiveness
In the old days there was only one moderator (not from the staff) able to create friction in the Fora, I was genuinely hoping not to see it again.
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Regarding Pastey:
Zea_Mays wrote:
So something like Copilot from Microsoft?
Basically, yes. Though the interface is closer to what you'd see with DeepL. Just bear in mind that DeepL is a neural machine translation service. Pastey "just" offers a different interface (and Pro license) to ChatGPT by Open.ai that integrates with our specific workflows.
| | | | | Talking of comms and perception | Feb 8 |
FINANCIAL FREDOM FOR FREELANCERS
Unless my eyes deceive me, there appears to be a boo-boo at the top of the home page. It's in the "promo-item-title" class in the html code. I did cut & paste the line originally but it didn't render properly and I CBA to figure out why
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Charlie Bavington wrote: FINANCIAL FREDOM FOR FREELANCERS Unless my eyes deceive me, there appears to be a boo-boo at the top of the home page. It's in the "promo-item-title" class in the html code. I did cut & paste the line originally but it didn't render properly and I CBA to figure out why [Edited at 2024-02-08 14:41 GMT]
Thanks for pointing that out. Team fixed it.
| | | | Anne Maclennan
Local time: 19:00
Member (2010)
German to English
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I have read the postings in this forum with interest. I then checked Proz.com’s scope as advised by Jared.
Although at times the annoyance of members shines through and at times the comments may be more acerbic that might be desired, as far as I can see complaints from members centre round professional issues, such as bugs on the site, which mean that we cannot use it quickly and efficiently and then get on with our work; these seem to be genuine concerns on a professional level,... See more I have read the postings in this forum with interest. I then checked Proz.com’s scope as advised by Jared.
Although at times the annoyance of members shines through and at times the comments may be more acerbic that might be desired, as far as I can see complaints from members centre round professional issues, such as bugs on the site, which mean that we cannot use it quickly and efficiently and then get on with our work; these seem to be genuine concerns on a professional level, as well as concerns that we, as paying members, are not getting our money’s worth.
All these seem valid reasons to express an opinion, even if continued annoyance sometimes makes a comment more pointed than it might have been.
As for the suggestion that more experienced members do not help new entrants to the profession on these forums, I have seen no evidence of that – quite the contrary. When advice is sought it is given thoughtfully and based on the contributor’s own professional experience. If sometimes the message is: ‘forget that option; it won’t work ‘or ‘try that if you like, but...’ these answers are based on the responder’s knowledge of the industry.
With respect to “Off-Topic” threads, these are often the most interesting and amusing to read. Please let them continue.
Amid all the to and fro of the discussion one comment of Jared’s did shock me:
“There is no shortage of "free speech" zones out there, but ProZ.com is not one of those zones, as outlined in its rules and its limited scope”
I understand ‘free speech’ to mean the right and privilege to state your opinion, without fear or favour, while bearing in mind the sensitivities of others. You may say what you like to express your opinion, provided that it is not offensive or pejorative of others or their opinions. I think it's called debate. If Proz.com is not a free speech zone for language professionals, how can we as professionals express what we would like from a service, for which, as several have already pointed out, we pay a not inconsiderable sum?
By the way, I’m confused. Are the site team volunteers or are they paid? What are our membership fees spent on? ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Nobody said members can't voice their ideas, opinions, or complaints | Feb 8 |
Anne Maclennan wrote:
Although at times the annoyance of members shines through and at times the comments may be more acerbic that might be desired, as far as I can see complaints from members centre round professional issues, such as bugs on the site, which mean that we cannot use it quickly and efficiently and then get on with our work; these seem to be genuine concerns on a professional level, as well as concerns that we, as paying members, are not getting our money’s worth.
Nothing wrong with that. And you're perfectly within your right to do so. How else would we know what we can improve?
All these seem valid reasons to express an opinion, even if continued annoyance sometimes makes a comment more pointed than it might have been.
Pointed, you say... I'd love to go through this thread alone and copy & paste the inappropriate comments, remarks, and baseless assumptions. But I need to make dinner.
Amid all the to and fro of the discussion one comment of Jared’s did shock me:
“There is no shortage of "free speech" zones out there, but ProZ.com is not one of those zones, as outlined in its rules and its limited scope”
I understand ‘free speech’ to mean the right and privilege to state your opinion, without fear or favour, while bearing in mind the sensitivities of others. You may say what you like to express your opinion, provided that it is not offensive or pejorative of others or their opinions. I think it's called debate. If Proz.com is not a free speech zone for language professionals, how can we as professionals express what we would like from a service, for which, as several have already pointed out, we pay a not inconsiderable sum?
As you can see, Jared put those words in quotation marks. And that should make it clear to any professional wordsmith that he's referring to slander, inappropriate remarks, and personal attacks. He was not referring to the actual concept of free speech. I will take it that your assessment of his words bases on your false interpretation and not on an attempt to discredit Jared or ProZ.com.
By the way, I’m confused. Are the site team volunteers or are they paid? What are our membership fees spent on?
Not sure how this question is relevant to this specific topic. But to answer your question: Personally, I am not part of the site team, if by that you mean forum moderators. But I am still a ProZ.com staff member. As much as I am a member of the ProZ.com community.
Regarding your membership fees and what they are being spent on: On running and operating an integrated platform that provides its members with a diverse range of features, training offers and materials, events, tools, perks, a forum, a job board, an opportunity to have an online presence, and so much more. Feel free to check out https://www.proz.com/professional-membership/ for a full overview. There's a section called Compare Service Package Options.
And now I will call it a day.
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By the way, I’m confused. Are the site team volunteers or are they paid? What are our membership fees spent on?
Not sure how this question is relevant to this specific topic. But to answer your question: Personally, I am not part of the site team, if by that you mean forum moderators. But I am still a ProZ.com staff member. As much as I am a member of the ProZ.com community.
And this is no secret, site staff is paid, members serving as moderators are not.
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| I was keeping my head down, but enough is enough | Feb 8 |
Tanya Quintieri wrote:
Why don't you just ask?! Then you wouldn't have to make assumptions... "When you assume, you make an a$$ out of you and me." comes to mind...
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However, I am using the energy unleashed by frustration to press for changes by doing, not by verbally abusing or ridiculing people. And yes, I feel personally attacked when e.g. someone makes assumptions on why I or anyone else diversifies. Just to name an example from this one thread. It's none of anyone's business. Nobody here has a right to personally attack or judge anyone.
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The forum certainly isn't a welcoming space for those new to the profession or our community. And that's a real shame. Because we have so much to learn from each other. We're generally smart people. With the veterans among us having so much experience to share. Yet a few "choose violence" and poison what could be a nurturing, inspiring, supportive space... It's sad, really.
Personally, I am tired of back-stabbing keyboard warriors. As someone who has been to countless events for translators, I can confirm that those who bicker the loudest and lack respect/decency online fail to look one in the eye when standing face-to-face. So all of this bickering and hinting and trying to be 'smart' is useless and a waste of everyone's time and energy. As you say, we have a way with words. Perhaps we should put it to better use.
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And even if I wear a ProZ.com badge, I won't let people put assumptions out there about me or people I consider friends and respectable colleagues, when the author of such comments is trying to make those assumptions look like truths, or when their conduct is clearly provoking. So yeah, I clap back when I feel it's appropriate. And as a human being, I do expect a certain level of common courtesy when I am being addressed.
I think it's time to move on and practise what you preach, Tanya.
I made no assumptions about you. I didn't even know you existed. Please extend me the same courtesy. Your friend is quite capable of fighting his own corner.
It's a shame this thread has taken the direction it has, but one good thing to come out of it is that finally there's some useful information being put out by ProZ HQ. I think that's a really positive step forward. Thank you for that.
As my close friend the Dalai Lama once said: "A lack of transparency results in distrust and a deep sense of insecurity."
| | | | Michele Fauble
United States
Local time: 10:00
Member (2006)
Norwegian to English
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Tanya Quintieri wrote:
But I will say this about Pastey: It is NOT an AI tool per se. It is a companion app for desktop environments that allows users to leverage AI (ChatGPT) to the extent the human translator wants to combine their human expertise with artificial intelligence. You add your text by copying it into the tool and then pasting the output back into the source (hence the name). That can be a segment in your CAT tool or any text source you can edit (Word, browsers, Excel, chats, etc.).
Maybe rethink the name.
“Pasties (singular pasty or pastie)[1] are patches that cover a person's nipples and areolae, typically self-adhesive or affixed with adhesive. They originated as part of burlesque shows, allowing dancers to perform fully topless without exposing the nipples in order to provide a commercial form of bare-breasted entertainment.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasties
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Christopher Schröder wrote:
I made no assumptions about you. I didn't even know you existed. Please extend me the same courtesy. Your friend is quite capable of fighting his own corner.
So when you wrote the following, three days ago, you weren't talking about me (or my peers)?
There’s also the Translation Mastermind group on Facebook, a paid thing which is now some kind of joint venture between ProZ and Andrew Morris. I think you pay to be part of an exclusively positive community of translators and get tips on how to be a successful translator from people who are so successful as translators that they have to branch out into being gurus and web designers and forum curators in order to make ends meet.
Because as far as I know, I am the only one in the group who actually is a web designer. But of course, if you didn't know I existed, then that's just a whole lot of opinion based on very little knowledge, no?
As you said, enough is enough.
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