Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dutch term or phrase:
ondercommandant
English translation:
second-in-command
Added to glossary by
LAB2004
Jan 7, 2007 11:14
17 yrs ago
Dutch term
ondercommandant
Dutch to English
Other
Military / Defense
ranks
Zij kunnen deze verantwoordelijkheid aan hun ondercommandanten overdragen, indien de omstandigheden dit nodig maken.
In relation to the Dutch Army.
After extensive hunting around, all I have come up with is non-commissioned officer (or an obviously literal translation of subcommander). Does anyone have any other suggestions?
TIA
In relation to the Dutch Army.
After extensive hunting around, all I have come up with is non-commissioned officer (or an obviously literal translation of subcommander). Does anyone have any other suggestions?
TIA
Proposed translations
(English)
5 +4 | second-in-command | Christopher Smith (X) |
2 | deputy commander | Rowan Morrell |
Proposed translations
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second-in-command
Standard military term, often abbreviated to 2ic.
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-01-07 12:24:20 GMT)
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Or if one officer is delegating responsibility to more than one subordinate officer or N.C.O., simply 'subordinates'.
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Note added at 13 hrs (2007-01-08 01:09:30 GMT)
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Thanks for the additional info. So only battalion commanders or the higher echelons can give the order for a piece of equipment to be destroyed (we usually say "written off" in the UK military), but they can delegate this responsibility to their respective subordinates/2ic's if justified by the circumstances. BTW, check my CV ;-)
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Note added at 14 hrs (2007-01-08 01:38:17 GMT)
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Incidentally, the way this usually runs is as follows (e.g.): Squaddie breaks item; Corporal gives b****cking to squaddie, reports to Sergeant; Sergeant gives b****cking to squaddie, puts him on charge, reports to Platoon Commander and CQMS (Company Quartermaster Sergeant); CQMS reports u/s item via CSM (Company Sergeant Major), who (via Company 2ic and Company Commander) reports it to QM (Quartermaster, usually with rank of Major) who put his weekly/monthly report of total losses and breakages on the Adjutant's desk. The Adjutant sorts out the paperwork, gets the high blood pressure, has a word with the respective Company Commander over a G&T in the mess and gets the Colonel (actually Lieutenant-Colonel, the commander of the battalion) to sign the chit to write off the offending piece of equipment. It could be a burnt beret, it could be a burnt tank; the paperwork stays the same. Just thought I would add this as background info.
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-01-07 12:24:20 GMT)
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Or if one officer is delegating responsibility to more than one subordinate officer or N.C.O., simply 'subordinates'.
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Note added at 13 hrs (2007-01-08 01:09:30 GMT)
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Thanks for the additional info. So only battalion commanders or the higher echelons can give the order for a piece of equipment to be destroyed (we usually say "written off" in the UK military), but they can delegate this responsibility to their respective subordinates/2ic's if justified by the circumstances. BTW, check my CV ;-)
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Note added at 14 hrs (2007-01-08 01:38:17 GMT)
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Incidentally, the way this usually runs is as follows (e.g.): Squaddie breaks item; Corporal gives b****cking to squaddie, reports to Sergeant; Sergeant gives b****cking to squaddie, puts him on charge, reports to Platoon Commander and CQMS (Company Quartermaster Sergeant); CQMS reports u/s item via CSM (Company Sergeant Major), who (via Company 2ic and Company Commander) reports it to QM (Quartermaster, usually with rank of Major) who put his weekly/monthly report of total losses and breakages on the Adjutant's desk. The Adjutant sorts out the paperwork, gets the high blood pressure, has a word with the respective Company Commander over a G&T in the mess and gets the Colonel (actually Lieutenant-Colonel, the commander of the battalion) to sign the chit to write off the offending piece of equipment. It could be a burnt beret, it could be a burnt tank; the paperwork stays the same. Just thought I would add this as background info.
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: He served in the Dutch Caribbean from 1986-1988 as second in command and later as Commanding Officer.. http://www.monuc.org/news.aspx?newsID=9699
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Many thanks
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agree |
Alice Saunders (X)
: after checking with a few relatives in the army
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Many thanks
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agree |
CJG (X)
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Many thanks
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LouisV (X)
: 2IC
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Thanks Louis
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks for the extra explanation as well Christopher."
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deputy commander
The "onder" prefix might mean "deputy" here. This is strictly a guess, however. There appear to be some credible search engine hits though.
Note from asker:
Thank you Rowan. Was wondering about that translation too. Will see if anyone else comes up with anything different. |
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