Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
treffen (here)
English translation:
...had to build on the wording or meaning of the....
Added to glossary by
Stephen Old
Aug 30, 2017 17:42
6 yrs ago
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German term
United Kingdom
treffen (here)
German to English
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
Japanese haiku
This is my final question on the development of the haiku. I do not understand the precise meaning of "treffen musste" here. Indem sich eine solche Dichtergemeinschaft im Laufe der Zeit auf einen größeren Teilnehmerkreis erweiterte, wurden mehrere derartige Strophenpaare zu einer tanka-Kette, dem renga, aneinandergereiht, bei der der Verfasser jeder neuen Strophe Wort oder Sinn der seines Vorgängers treffen mußte.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 2 | ...had to build on the wording or meaning of the.... |
gangels (X)
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| 4 +3 | link |
Mair A-W (PhD)
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| 4 +2 | match / match up to |
Helen Shiner
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| 3 +1 | correlate or tie in to/interact with |
Ramey Rieger (X)
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| 3 +1 | touch upon |
Herbmione Granger
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| 3 | be consistent in word or meaning with |
Martin Ris
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Proposed translations
7 hrs
Selected
...had to build on the wording or meaning of the....
preceding participant
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, gangels, As so often in English, there are many ways of expressing this idea but I think your suggestion was the best here. "
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6 mins
correlate or tie in to/interact with
There must be some reference that keeps the verse alive throughout the chain.
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8 mins
Mair A-W (PhD)
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Germany
above and beyond
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: German to English, Dutch to English
link
linked with, connected with, related to ...
doesn't it just mean that the next stanza (written by poet B) must have a link/connection to the previous stanza (written by poet A)?
on tanka chains: https://books.google.de/books?id=nDuMAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA32&lpg=PA...
doesn't it just mean that the next stanza (written by poet B) must have a link/connection to the previous stanza (written by poet A)?
on tanka chains: https://books.google.de/books?id=nDuMAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA32&lpg=PA...
+2
31 mins
Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Arts/Academic translator - Art historian
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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139
match / match up to
That would be my take. The poet is trying to live up to his poet forebears.
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Note added at 32 mins (2017-08-30 18:15:27 GMT)
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'Match' on its own would probably be my preference in this particular sentence.
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Note added at 32 mins (2017-08-30 18:15:27 GMT)
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'Match' on its own would probably be my preference in this particular sentence.
Peer comment(s):
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Michael Martin, MA
: I think so far this is the only one that would work here. Would have posted that myself.
5 mins
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Thanks, Michael
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Ramey Rieger (X)
: parallel, perhaps, as a verb. Hope you're well, Helen!
35 mins
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Thanks, Ramey. You, too.
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19 hrs
Martin Ris
United States
United States
Native in German
&
English
United States
A passion for language
Native in: German (Variants: Swiss, Germany) 
, English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
be consistent in word or meaning with
I think the idea is that the poem as a whole, or at least alternating stanzas, need/s textual or thematic consistency, to come across as a whole instead of an aggregation of stanzas A and stanzas B.
+1
22 hrs
Herbmione Granger
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Germany
An American scholar based in Germany
Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: French to English, German to English, English
touch upon
... the composer had to touch upon each new thing set out by his predecessor
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Note added at 1 day25 mins (2017-08-31 18:08:04 GMT)
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Less idiomatic: briefly greet and then follow or depart from
The composer needed to acknowledge the contributions of the last person while creating their own.
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Note added at 1 day25 mins (2017-08-31 18:08:04 GMT)
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Less idiomatic: briefly greet and then follow or depart from
The composer needed to acknowledge the contributions of the last person while creating their own.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Karolin Schmidt
: I also like briefly greet and then follow or depart from
1 day 12 mins
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Thank you!
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Discussion
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/german_to_english/poetry_literatur...
"Ein Autor schrieb drei Zeilen (5-7-5 Silben) vor, den sogenannten Oberstollen. Dann bat er seinen Dichterfreund um Vollendung des Verses, der aus zwei Zeilen (7-7 Silben) bestand, dem sogenannten Unterstollen."
http://www.haikulinde.de/Haiku/renga.htm
"Poets worked in pairs or small groups, taking turns composing the alternating three-line and two-line stanzas. [...] In order for the poem to achieve its trajectory, each poet writes a new stanza that leaps from only the stanza preceding it. "
https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/text/renga-poetic-form
Cf:
https://www.youngwriters.co.uk/types-renga
https://thewayofhaiku.wordpress.com/renga-cards/
Examples of rengas:
http://www.renga-platform.co.uk/webpages/renga_02.htm
I think this describes it well:
"The next poet takes inspiration from the previous stanza to compose their verse."
http://blog.asianart.org/blog/index.php/2009/07/02/poetry-is...
Best